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Updated Suds Report —CONFIRMED JARLENA OUT!; TVGC
Topic Started: Nov 14 2008, 01:35 PM (12,256 Views)
andromeda
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Nov 19 2008, 08:20 PM
ladyofthelake
Nov 19 2008, 06:18 PM
So, what I'm wondering is......why feel more sympathy for them than any other actor who was willing to give it all? I understand this was sudden, but good grief, Judi Evans was willing to give it her all. Matthew Ashford was kicked around like a puppy, but would probably come back at the first hint of an invite. There are other actors who have devoted their hearts to this show, too.

It may not be fair, but it happens. It's a sad factor of our economy. Anyone who is not the boss is indespensible. It's also a sad fact that sometimes bosses make rotten decisions. But, I really doubt they'll be jobless long. My concern would be for the real life humans, not the characters. And, I'm pretty sure they'll both be fine.

And, in all honesty, you don't think they saw the writing on the wall? Or did they think they were immune? With all the garbage going on backstage for months,I would think NO one would think themselves protected, not even Allison Sweeney at some point. And, if they are, they are kidding themselves.

Plus, it still sounds like the door is left open. Maybe it won't materialize, but it's not as if they weren't given extended vacations before. And, honestly, it really didn't affect the ratings much one way or another.

Guess I sound like a cruel heartless bitch, but after having to deal with a little girl yesterday who is 7 and is already sinking into a depressed, hard emotionalless attitude because her daddy refuses to acknowledge her and gives his stepkids gifts in front of her without giving her anything, this seems like small potatoes. Dee and Drake will bounce back. I'm not so sure about this little girl.
I'm confused, is this a sympathy contest thread? We aren't suppose to talk about D&D being fired without mentioning all the other actors that have been let go over the years? Despite the fact that all actors are not equal when it comes to popularity or how much they make?

I think everyone realizes that "it happens". Regardless of whether the actors will recover or not (I am sure they will take comfort in your confidence in their futures), I think this is more about the health of the show itself. It's no surprise that this has become big news, whether you agree or not, Deidre Hall is considered the star of the show by most. Certainly Judi Evans was not similarly regarded, though she was certainly popular.

Not sure what it matters whether "they" thought they were immune or not. Who knows?

I think this is irrelevant to any ratings measurements. It's about more than that. It's about how viewers will now perceive the show. If more actors are let go, which I think we all know is going to happen, you won't have a recognizable cast or show. Despite your brushing this aside, many viewers tune in to see familiar characters like Marlena and John. And if they're gone from the canvas, along with other familiar faces, I have no doubt that you will lose audience over the long run... and the long run now has dwindled down to 18 months.

It's sad about the little girl, but what does that have to do with anything about this topic on a message board? When your favorites left the show, did you contemplate the real life problems in the world before posting about their departures? Is your comment suppose to make those of us posting about this topic feel like we are putting this topic above the other things going on in real life? Are we suppose to measure the importance of posting on this soap opera message board about the firings of two actors with the tragedies in real life before we post? If that's what you mean, then why are any of us, you included, posting on soap message board at all?
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andromeda
Nov 19 2008, 08:13 PM
ladyofthelake
Nov 19 2008, 06:18 PM
So, what I'm wondering is......why feel more sympathy for them than any other actor who was willing to give it all? I understand this was sudden, but good grief, Judi Evans was willing to give it her all. Matthew Ashford was kicked around like a puppy, but would probably come back at the first hint of an invite. There are other actors who have devoted their hearts to this show, too.

It may not be fair, but it happens. It's a sad factor of our economy. Anyone who is not the boss is indespensible. It's also a sad fact that sometimes bosses make rotten decisions. But, I really doubt they'll be jobless long. My concern would be for the real life humans, not the characters. And, I'm pretty sure they'll both be fine.

And, in all honesty, you don't think they saw the writing on the wall? Or did they think they were immune? With all the garbage going on backstage for months,I would think NO one would think themselves protected, not even Allison Sweeney at some point. And, if they are, they are kidding themselves.

Plus, it still sounds like the door is left open. Maybe it won't materialize, but it's not as if they weren't given extended vacations before. And, honestly, it really didn't affect the ratings much one way or another.

Guess I sound like a cruel heartless bitch, but after having to deal with a little girl yesterday who is 7 and is already sinking into a depressed, hard emotionalless attitude because her daddy refuses to acknowledge her and gives his stepkids gifts in front of her without giving her anything, this seems like small potatoes. Dee and Drake will bounce back. I'm not so sure about this little girl.
So what I'm wondering is how you are wondering how people can feel more sympathy for one actor than they do for another. I find this interesting because in your very own post you are the first to say you are "pretty sure they will both be fine".

For the record, I don't believe people are being any more sympathetic than they would be with anyone else. I do however, believe this is getting more reaction than anybody else. That does not necessarily equate to the same thing.

Deidre Hall and J&M, like 'em or not are going to create huge buzz like no other.
Maybe that's the objection :shrug: :laugh:
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Nov 19 2008, 08:20 PM
ladyofthelake
Nov 19 2008, 06:18 PM
So, what I'm wondering is......why feel more sympathy for them than any other actor who was willing to give it all? I understand this was sudden, but good grief, Judi Evans was willing to give it her all. Matthew Ashford was kicked around like a puppy, but would probably come back at the first hint of an invite. There are other actors who have devoted their hearts to this show, too.

It may not be fair, but it happens. It's a sad factor of our economy. Anyone who is not the boss is indespensible. It's also a sad fact that sometimes bosses make rotten decisions. But, I really doubt they'll be jobless long. My concern would be for the real life humans, not the characters. And, I'm pretty sure they'll both be fine.

And, in all honesty, you don't think they saw the writing on the wall? Or did they think they were immune? With all the garbage going on backstage for months,I would think NO one would think themselves protected, not even Allison Sweeney at some point. And, if they are, they are kidding themselves.

Plus, it still sounds like the door is left open. Maybe it won't materialize, but it's not as if they weren't given extended vacations before. And, honestly, it really didn't affect the ratings much one way or another.

Guess I sound like a cruel heartless bitch, but after having to deal with a little girl yesterday who is 7 and is already sinking into a depressed, hard emotionalless attitude because her daddy refuses to acknowledge her and gives his stepkids gifts in front of her without giving her anything, this seems like small potatoes. Dee and Drake will bounce back. I'm not so sure about this little girl.
I'm confused, is this a sympathy contest thread? We aren't suppose to talk about D&D being fired without mentioning all the other actors that have been let go over the years? Despite the fact that all actors are not equal when it comes to popularity or how much they make?

I think everyone realizes that "it happens". Regardless of whether the actors will recover or not (I am sure they will take comfort in your confidence in their futures), I think this is more about the health of the show itself. It's no surprise that this has become big news, whether you agree or not, Deidre Hall is considered the star of the show by most. Certainly Judi Evans was not similarly regarded, though she was certainly popular.

Not sure what it matters whether "they" thought they were immune or not. Who knows?

I think this is irrelevant to any ratings measurements. It's about more than that. It's about how viewers will now perceive the show. If more actors are let go, which I think we all know is going to happen, you won't have a recognizable cast or show. Despite your brushing this aside, many viewers tune in to see familiar characters like Marlena and John. And if they're gone from the canvas, along with other familiar faces, I have no doubt that you will lose audience over the long run... and the long run now has dwindled down to 18 months.
ratings are irrelevant...i've believed that for years now as far as how much of an impact the show has on the audience, but I've also been told consistently that it is the measurement used by the companies who decide how much ad time to purchase. If the ratings don't fall, then the people who decide how much revenue the show will be getting will reach one conclusion...that Deidre and Drake are not needed in order to sell it to enough viewers.

This show has completely reinvented itself at least twice in the last twenty odd years and survived despite the departure of extremely popular couples that were in their time the "face of the show"....leaving either of their own choice or not. I don't know that Dena is capable of pulling off another reinvention, but I've seen enough letters sent into SOD in the 80s that suggested there were a lot of people who didn't think the writers at the time, which included Sheri Anderson would either~people who believed that getting rid of the vets in the early 80s would sink the show, and I know I felt the same about the show in the 90s. I didn't like the way it was written or the cast all that much but it was popular anyway. I don't like the prospects of a show without any of the vets now, but there are people out there now who obviously do because they are watching and the demos are going up...without practically any vets on.

I'm not suggesting by the way that the show will survive Dena or Corday, only that I see an awful lot of opinions that are based on something other than the bare facts of the entertainment industry, especially in the midst of the problems that networks and studios are going through now, and that is the bottom line on the accountant's sheets. People in this business, no matter how talented or familiar or marketable will last only as long as their popularity is perceived by the accountants to supply a show with revenue. Obviously you believe the DHs still do that but so far the ratings...which is what the accountants are using to determine that don't agree with you and I guess it will just be a matter of wait and see as to who will be proven correct...like in any other risky move business people make.
Edited by madelinehawaii, Nov 19 2008, 10:13 PM.
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Hey, Nelson! I see you! LOL :)
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The Days as I knew it is so long gone. Letting Drake and Deidre go is just the final nail in the coffin for me. I am amazed at the idiocy of Corday. Especially in letting Deidre go. She is Days, she is the most recognizable actor on the show IMO. And even while he has had her he hasn't made sure his HW's use her to the best of their ability or at least I hope this isn't the best of their ability cause if it is it leaves a lot to be desired. It's sad watching this once great soap limp along to cancelation. Sad very very sad. Deidre and Drake will be fine without Days but the same can't be said of Days without Deidre and Drake. :-/
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I'm just not necessarily sure Dee is considered the "Face of Days" anymore. She might be ONE of the faces, but I honestly don't consider her as the be-all and end-all of the show. I know others feel that way, but then again, there are quite a few people who also feel the same way I do. But, in part and parcel of a BUNCH of other things going on...that's where Corday is hurting himself. Not just Dee and Drake alone. If you check comments across a variety of boards, you're going to get everything from "Oh,no, the sky is falling and the 7 horsemen are coming" to " it's about time!"
In the end, it's a TV show. It's a TV show I feel sentimental about, but to me, I feel more sentimental about Maggie's red shoes. I feel sentimental about Addie's death. I feel sentimental about Marlena, but when DJ died. I feel sentimental about Eugene and Howie Hoffstedder and old-time Bo and Hope. Personally, I think Days would miss more with Bo and Hope gone,but that's because I prefer them. Hope's character has been the catalyst for many a dramatic story since she was born.
And, I miss Alice. When Alice or Frances Reid goes, that's when I permanently hang it up for the show.
And, for better or worse, the decision has been made. It will remain to be seen what the true damage has been done. I just hope people don't go nuts and lose all sense of reality because of this.
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madelinehawaii
Nov 19 2008, 10:11 PM
Jiggs
Nov 19 2008, 08:20 PM
ladyofthelake
Nov 19 2008, 06:18 PM
So, what I'm wondering is......why feel more sympathy for them than any other actor who was willing to give it all? I understand this was sudden, but good grief, Judi Evans was willing to give it her all. Matthew Ashford was kicked around like a puppy, but would probably come back at the first hint of an invite. There are other actors who have devoted their hearts to this show, too.

It may not be fair, but it happens. It's a sad factor of our economy. Anyone who is not the boss is indespensible. It's also a sad fact that sometimes bosses make rotten decisions. But, I really doubt they'll be jobless long. My concern would be for the real life humans, not the characters. And, I'm pretty sure they'll both be fine.

And, in all honesty, you don't think they saw the writing on the wall? Or did they think they were immune? With all the garbage going on backstage for months,I would think NO one would think themselves protected, not even Allison Sweeney at some point. And, if they are, they are kidding themselves.

Plus, it still sounds like the door is left open. Maybe it won't materialize, but it's not as if they weren't given extended vacations before. And, honestly, it really didn't affect the ratings much one way or another.

Guess I sound like a cruel heartless bitch, but after having to deal with a little girl yesterday who is 7 and is already sinking into a depressed, hard emotionalless attitude because her daddy refuses to acknowledge her and gives his stepkids gifts in front of her without giving her anything, this seems like small potatoes. Dee and Drake will bounce back. I'm not so sure about this little girl.
I'm confused, is this a sympathy contest thread? We aren't suppose to talk about D&D being fired without mentioning all the other actors that have been let go over the years? Despite the fact that all actors are not equal when it comes to popularity or how much they make?

I think everyone realizes that "it happens". Regardless of whether the actors will recover or not (I am sure they will take comfort in your confidence in their futures), I think this is more about the health of the show itself. It's no surprise that this has become big news, whether you agree or not, Deidre Hall is considered the star of the show by most. Certainly Judi Evans was not similarly regarded, though she was certainly popular.

Not sure what it matters whether "they" thought they were immune or not. Who knows?

I think this is irrelevant to any ratings measurements. It's about more than that. It's about how viewers will now perceive the show. If more actors are let go, which I think we all know is going to happen, you won't have a recognizable cast or show. Despite your brushing this aside, many viewers tune in to see familiar characters like Marlena and John. And if they're gone from the canvas, along with other familiar faces, I have no doubt that you will lose audience over the long run... and the long run now has dwindled down to 18 months.
ratings are irrelevant...i've believed that for years now as far as how much of an impact the show has on the audience, but I've also been told consistently that it is the measurement used by the companies who decide how much ad time to purchase. If the ratings don't fall, then the people who decide how much revenue the show will be getting will reach one conclusion...that Deidre and Drake are not needed in order to sell it to enough viewers.

This show has completely reinvented itself at least twice in the last twenty odd years and survived despite the departure of extremely popular couples that were in their time the "face of the show"....leaving either of their own choice or not. I don't know that Dena is capable of pulling off another reinvention, but I've seen enough letters sent into SOD in the 80s that suggested there were a lot of people who didn't think the writers at the time, which included Sheri Anderson would either~people who believed that getting rid of the vets in the early 80s would sink the show, and I know I felt the same about the show in the 90s. I didn't like the way it was written or the cast all that much but it was popular anyway. I don't like the prospects of a show without any of the vets now, but there are people out there now who obviously do because they are watching and the demos are going up...without practically any vets on.

I'm not suggesting by the way that the show will survive Dena or Corday, only that I see an awful lot of opinions that are based on something other than the bare facts of the entertainment industry, especially in the midst of the problems that networks and studios are going through now, and that is the bottom line on the accountant's sheets. People in this business, no matter how talented or familiar or marketable will last only as long as their popularity is perceived by the accountants to supply a show with revenue. Obviously you believe the DHs still do that but so far the ratings...which is what the accountants are using to determine that don't agree with you and I guess it will just be a matter of wait and see as to who will be proven correct...like in any other risky move business people make.
Madeline, I just gotta love the sense you make. :wub2:
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I think it's a mistake to lose Dee. We will never know if she would have taken a huge paycut. I obviously don't know the woman. But, I do believe she is fairly wealthy and could still afford her lifestyle if having to take a paycut. That being said, I have been on the internet for many, many years. I remember getting Prodigy in 1990. I remember being on a majority of soap boards in 1993 during the firing of Matt Ashford. It was HUGE. He was extremely popular. Fan after fan vowed to never watch the show again when he left . There was major outcry. So even though everyone said they were going to stop watching, and back then he was as popular as Dee; ratings didn't change one iota. I don't believe the ratings will go down at all when Dee or Drake leave. However, if their isn't any compelling story (with Dena, most likely not), DAYS is doomed.
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